My review of E3: Prince of Undeath, the final epic tier adventure path module from Wizards of the Coast, designed for Levels 27-30. It follows on from my E2: Kingdom of the Ghouls review from a few weeks ago.
Note: This is not a playtest review.
First Impressions
Finally, at long last Wizards treat us with an actual cover worthy of the source material and the epic tier itself. Wayne Reynold’s is back with an even more impressive painting of Orcus than his wonderful Monster Manual cover (easily the best of the Monster Manual covers to date). I still prefer pale and pasty, bloated Orcus to the angry red, ‘buff’ Orcus, but I have never seen any illustration by Wayne Reyolds I didn’t think was brilliant and he certainly doesn’t disappoint here at all. Great cover – off to a wonderful start.
Inside is the, now familiar, slipcase format with 32 page adventure book, a 64 page encounters book and one double-sided miniatures map. Its notable that there are 13 illustrations in the entire book (discounting maps of course) which is basically one every 7 1/2 pages, even though nearly all (10 in fact) of the illustrations are squeezed into the last 6 pages of the adventure book. After seeing all the WotC adventure path modules I am definately of the opinion that divorcing the artwork from the main body of the work is a massive mistake, leading to the book seeming a bit sterile. What artwork there is in the book is nice though, with depictions of Pit Fiend vs. Balor and Timesus the Primordial being my personal favourites.
The story involves the heroes stopping Orcus’ plans to become the god of death by supplanting the Raven Queen herself. But ultimately its all a bit of a wild goose chase until the showdown at the end. But I suppose the journey is half the fun, even if a cynical mind might see it as ‘grinding’ to become powerful enough to defeat Orcus. I think the Paizo method used in the Savage Tide (Demogorgon centric) Adventure Path works much better in that the PCs can take on Demogorgon at any time (but will probably get slaughtered) so they find ways level the playing field by weakening Demogorgon directly and indirectly while gaining powerful allies and items. In Prince of Undeath there is none of that foresight.
The adventure itself takes place in five areas:
- Chaos Ship (5 encounters): A ship that can travel the Elemental Chaos. These encounters are spread over the course of the adventure.
- Red Hold (11 encounters): Orcus ‘impenetrable’ citadel at his capital city Everlost.
- Forge of the Four Worlds (7 encounters): The place where the Timesus ‘jigsaw’ was put back together.
- Abyssal Nadir (3 encounters): The deepest depth of the Abyss where Timesus is trying to break off shards from the Heart of the Abyss.
- Court of the Raven Queen (4 encounters): Where Orcus and his forces are in the midst of defeating the Raven Queen.
The Good
- Creatures: The adventure presents some new monsters and conceptually I really liked them: Abyssal Servitors (demonic beasts of burden); Fathomals (creatures that live at the bottom of the Abyss); Forgeborn Abominations and of course Timesus the Primordial himself, who is conceptually very cool even though his stat block looks quite flimsy.
- The Chaos Ship: The basic idea of the chaos ship has a lot of potential, unfortunately that potential is not really explored here becoming more of a convenient bridge between the different locations rather than offering any particularly new experiences.
The Bad
- Grinding: The PCs begin this adventure (arguably) not powerful enough to slay Orcus, by the end of the module he poses little threat to them. Instead of resolving this power shift with story based objectives (like Savage Tide) this module just seems to embrace the metagaming conceit that the PCs will simply level up by the time they beat past Orcus’ mooks. In fact Orcus would actually be smarter pitting no demons or undead against the heroes because doing that only serves to make them stronger.
- Just not Epic Enough: No real gravitas to events transpiring. Check out my article The Ten Commandments of Epic, this adventure ticks few if any of those boxes.
- Lack of Personality: Partly to blame with the format and partly with the writing a lot of the adventure is soulless (no pun intended). Here’s an example of what I mean. There is a Vampire Lord in the adventure who is a Level 28 Elite Soldier. Thats higher level than a Balor and almost a Demigod in his own right. So a fairly important character you would imagine. What does the module tell us about him…basically nothing. His name is mentioned briefly (and not even within his own stat-block where he is referred to as simply “Vampire Lord”). Nothing about his background, history, role in Orcus’ retinue, personality. He’s just a faceless mook. Just like the Balor Champion in the book (not even given a name even though he is in effect a Demigod), just like Harthoon the Lich (who has about 1 line detailing his duties), just like the Pit Fiend Captain. Its almost as if they are not even trying. The important NPCs are utterly devoid of personality. I’m not saying every single NPC needs an essay accompanying them, but pick out maybe half a dozen important NPCs and flesh them out. Give DMs something to get their teeth into. Here, the NPCs are just stat-blocks.
- Meagre Challenge: While I haven’t played this module yet I have read several reports from others who have and its pretty clear from them that the encounters as written were almost zero challenge for the epic tier PCs. Firstly, monster damage had not been updated to DMG2/MM3 standards at this point. Secondly, at the back end of the epic tier, Player Characters are so powerful that Encounter Levels of even +1 and +2 are basically speed-bumps. Orcus himself is slightly tweaked from his Monster Manual stats but really nowhere near far enough to make him a credible threat. See my version of Orcus for a much sterner test.
- Railroading: I touched on this above with regards the story. The players are sort of expected to jump through hoops: go here, then here. Theres no real freedom of choice or options within the adventure. Unlike say the final installments of Savage Tide Adventure Path where the heroes have maybe 4-5 different options (to gain allies, artifacts, weaken Demogorgon personally or slay his key allies) before taking on the Prince of Demons.
- Level Scaling: Something that annoyed me when reading over the adventure is the inherent Level Scaling of 4th Edition Monsters. Here’s an example of what I mean. A glabrezu is a Level 23 Elite Brute in 4th Edition. In this module you fight a Level 26 Elite Brute Glabrezu ‘Gatewarder’. Now my point here is that if the PCs keep levelling up and the DM keeps throwing higher level versions of basically the same monster at them (and I should point out there are a dozen such examples of this in this book) then the players won’t have any sense of progression. What makes this all the more frustrating is that 4E has its own built in mechanics for giving a sense of progression – Monster Ranks (ie. minion, standard, elite, solo). Instead of fighting higher level Glabrezu in the same numbers (typically 1 leading some other monsters) they could have used a single 4E Glabrezu in E1: Death’s Reach, a handful of Level 27 standard versions in E2: Kingdom of the Ghouls and a large number of Level 35 Minion versions in E3: Prince of Undeath. This gives the players a much better sense of progression in that the monsters they struggled with a few adventures ago they are now hacking down with ease. Instead of, we are higher level now but these Glabrezu are also higher level – it totally negates any sense of progression.
- Verisimilitude: A number of things struck me as odd reading over the module. For instance, where were the guards of the Raven Queen? Did Orcus really invade her Realm with about 2 dozen mooks? Why does no one in Orcus’ retinue have a name or personality? Surely when designing a module around Orcus you have to give some thought and consideration to the type of resources a demon prince can and should be able to bring to bear on a situation. If you think of Orcus as ‘the President’ then he’s likely to have specialised personel for both strike teams and bodyguards. Epic tier Secret Service Bodyguards and ex-Navy Seal Black-Ops teams, James Bond-esque lone assassins, funding to call in the best Mercs in the business, a network of undercover operatives, tech teams tracking with satellites and cctv. The greatest travesty of all is that Orcus already has these characters sprinkled throughout his history. But they are absent from this adventure, as is virtually any personality.
Conclusion
I think this is (fractionally) the strongest of the E series of adventures but for the most part doesn’t escape its planar dungeon crawl feel. After seeing Revenge of the Iron Lich I am also convinced the WotC approach leans too heavily towards combat (and for the record I am a big fan of 4E’s combat).
Overall 5 (out of 10)
The ‘E’ series in totality…
Not epic enough, in fact I would go as far as to say not epic at all. Contrasts with Paizo’s Savage Tide are unfavourable to say the least.
Eternity Publishing 
Dave
June 4, 2011
Nice review, pretty much what I’ve heard elsewhere. I do really like the art though.
Also, I really like your point about the sense of progression. 4e has a built in mechanic to make you sense progression, but it is rarely, if ever, used by the adventure designers.
Taking a Glabrezu from elite to standard to minion would clearly indicate that the PCs had moved forward.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Upper_Krust
June 5, 2011
Hey Dave,
the more you actually examine all the elements of these modules the more cracks that appear.
As a consequence I am writing a related article for the website here on the topic of the Ten Flaws of 4E Adventure Design (expanding on some of the points raised above), which highlights the problems and then poses some possible solutions. I’ll either have that article up late today or tomorrow.
S'mon
June 12, 2011
Thanks for the review Craig. I’ve just acquired 4e Manual of the Planes, it seems ok in terms of inspirational fluff text (and is the first place I’ve seen 4e’s vision of the Astral Sea actually described), but rather more sketchy than eg the 3e MoTP, which had extensive notes on building your own universe, or the detail of the 1e MoTP which covered dozens of pantheons. I was wondering about the supplemental planar books, Plane Above, Plane Below et al, whether any are worth getting, and would be interested to see you review them.
Upper_Krust
June 13, 2011
Hi Simon,
Manual of the Planes (4E) was a poor book in my opinion. I have Planes Below, Planes Above and Demonomicon (and recently picked up the Shadowfell Boxed set). I’ll pencil them in for reviews over the next few weeks and months as time allows. Off the top of my head they were all notably better than Manual of the Planes though none stand out as great when compared to 1E’s Manual of the Planes or 3E’s planebuilding section in its MotP.
The Demonomicon (4E) isn’t as good as the (3E) Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss. The stats for Phraxus (ie. Anthraxus) were not great and I hate that they just made the daemons into demons. Surely they should have just put the Khin-Oin in the Shadowfell and that would have been perfect.
The Planes Below focuses primarily on the elemental side of the Elemental Chaos (with I think about 20 pages on the Abyss) and what is in the book is pretty good, but at only 160 pages (and using a larger font to the core rulebooks) you are sort of left wanting. In my opinion the unique selling point of the Elemental Chaos would have been the Prisons of the Primordials but this isn’t really expounded upon (less than half a page) although one Primordial called Solkara is brilliantly detailed in the book’s monster section.
The Planes Above is stylistically similar to the Planes below book. Again, whats there is good, but as an overall book I don’t think it does the Astral Plane justice really. The book introduces stats for three Orc Gods (no Gruumsh stats though) all relegated to Exarchs (Baghtru is a Level 23 Elite Brute for instance). Again the missed opportunity is in Godly Realms but in typical 4E style they never actually give any facts and figures about defenses, troop numbers or composition nor any ideas on creating your own Divine Realms.
But thats just off the top of my head, I’ll go into more detail in the future reviews.
S'mon
June 14, 2011
Thanks Craig. That Baghtru seems a little pathetic, a Balor can eat him for breakfast?!
Upper_Krust
June 14, 2011
Hey Simon,
I was in two minds about the Orc Pantheon stats (and by Pantheon its simply Baghtru, Luthic and Vaprak). Personally I think most Epic Tier monsters should not really be epic tier monsters – such as the Balor for instance.
1st Edition: 8+8 Hit Dice
2nd Edition: 13 Hit Dice
3rd Edition: 20 Hit Dice
4th Edition: Level 27
At this rate, by 6th Edition the Balor will be an Overgod.
Personally I think a Level 20 Elite Balor would be most appropriate. With maybe…
Least Demons 6-10 Standard
Minor Demons 11-15 Standard
Major Demons 15-20 Elite
Demon Lords 15-20 Solo or 21-25 Elite
Demon Princes 21-25 Solo or 26-30 Elite
Demon Monarchs 26-30 Solo or 31-35 Elite
Greater Gods 31-35 Solo
So in some sense I’d like to see gods and monsters reduced in levels, but I fully agree that mid-level 20 elites for Orcish deities does not gel especially well with the current existing epic tier monsters.
S'mon
June 14, 2011
I agree about the monster inflation. BTW I just did up some “old school” style 4e giant stats, elites with Level = to their 1e hit dice. See what you think; hp are halved as a house rule for faster play:
GIANT ELITES (HP ARE HALF RAW)
Hill Giant Barbarian Level 8 Elite Brute
Large natural humanoid XP 700
Initiative +3 Senses Perception +4
HP 107; Bloodied 53
AC 21; Fortitude 22; Reflex 17; Will 18
Saving Throws +2
Speed 8
Action Points 1
m Greatclub (standard; at-will) • Weapon
Reach 2; +13 vs AC; 3d10 + 9 damage
m Sweeping Club (standard; at-will) • Weapon
Reach 2; The hill giant makes a greatclub attack against one or two Medium or smaller targets; on a hit, the target is pushed 2 squares and knocked prone.; +13 vs AC; 3d10 + 9 damage
R Hurl Rock (standard; at-will)
Ranged 12; +10 vs Reflex; 3d6 + 9 damage; and a Small or Medium target is pushed 1 square and knocked prone.
M Brutal Strike (standard; recharge 5 6) • Weapon
Reach 2; The hill giant makes a brutal overhead strike to the foe’s head.; +13 vs AC; 4d10 + 18 damage, and a Small, Medium or Large target is knocked prone and dazed (save ends)
Steady Footing
When an effect pulls, pushes, or slides a hill giant, the giant moves 1 square less than the effect specifies. Also, the giant can make a saving throw to avoid being knocked prone.
Alignment Chaotic Evil Languages Giant
Skills Athletics +14
Str 21 (+9) Dex 8 (+3) Wis 10 (+4)
Con 17 (+7) Int 5 (+1) Cha 7 (+2)
Equipment Hide Armor, Greatclub
Frost Giant Level 10 Elite Brute
Large elemental humanoid XP 1,000
Initiative +6 Senses Perception +8
HP 128; Bloodied 64
AC 24; Fortitude 22; Reflex 19; Will 20
Resist 10 cold
Saving Throws +2
Speed 8
Action Points 1
m Icy Greataxe (standard; at-will) • Cold, Weapon
Reach 2; +15 vs AC; 3d12 + 10 (crit 3d12 + 46) weapon damage plus 10 cold damage; and a small or medium target is knocked prone
M Dying Swipe (when the frost giant drops to 0 hit points)
The frost giant makes an icy greataxe attack
C Chilling Breath (minor; recharge 5 6) • Cold
Close Blast 3; The giant’s breath enfolds his foes, and chilling ice rimes their bodies.; +11 vs Fortitude; 2d6 + 9 cold damage, and the target is slowed and gains vulnerable 10 cold (save ends both)
R Icy Dart (standard; at-will) • Cold, Weapon
The giant plucks an icicle from his beard and throws it at the foe.
Ranged 10; +13 vs AC; 3d6 + 10 cold damage
Icebound Footing (at-will)
When an effect pulls, pushes, or slides a frost giant, the giant moves 2 squares less than the effect specifies. Also, a frost giant can make a saving throw to avoid being knocked prone.
Alignment Evil Languages Giant
Skills Athletics +15, Endurance +14
Str 21 (+10) Dex 13 (+6) Wis 17 (+8)
Con 18 (+9) Int 10 (+5) Cha 12 (+6)
Equipment Scale Armor, Greataxe
Fire Giant Warrior Level 11 Elite Brute
Large elemental humanoid XP 1,200
Initiative +4 Senses Perception +11
HP 144; Bloodied 72
AC 26; Fortitude 24; Reflex 20; Will 21
Resist 15 fire
Saving Throws +2
Speed 7
Action Points 1
m Searing Greatsword (standard; at-will) • Fire, Weapon
Reach 2; +16 vs AC; 4d10 + 11 damage plus 10 fire damage, and a Secondary Attack vs small or medium target: + 14 vs Fortitude. Hit: Target is knocked prone.
M Sweeping Sword (standard; at-will) • Fire, Weapon
Reach 2, 1 or 2 targets, Requires greatsword; +14 vs AC; 3d10 + 11 damage plus 10 fire damage, and small or medium targets are pushed 3 squares and knocked prone.
R Iron Dart (standard; at-will) • Weapon
Ranged 20; +15 vs AC; 2d8 + 10 damage, and a small or medium target is pushed 2 squares.
Steady Footing
When an effect pulls, pushes, or slides a fire giant, the giant moves 1 square less than the effect specifies. Also, the giant can make a saving throw to avoid being knocked prone.
Alignment Evil Languages Giant
Skills Intimidate +13, Athletics +16, Endurance +17
Str 23 (+11) Dex 9 (+4) Wis 13 (+6)
Con 24 (+12) Int 12 (+6) Cha 16 (+8)
Equipment Plate Armor, Greatsword
Upper_Krust
June 14, 2011
Look pretty good, but just to clarify, you are halving hit points and upping damage by 25% is that right?
I just wonder why make them elites at all (if you are halving hit points) they feel like tough standard monsters rather than elites.
Agree with the revised levels though. Ogres would work well about Level 6 in 4E I think (rather than 4+1HD in 1E).
S'mon
June 15, 2011
Hit points are halved, damage is in line with the MM3 damage expressions, upped +50% or so for elites.
I halve all monster hp, game just works better that way IME.
Monster Vault standard Ogres are level 6, BTW!
Upper_Krust
June 15, 2011
MM3 Level 8 Damage = 2d8+7 (16 average), so Brute = 20 average. Therefore your Elite version would deal 30 on average, so you could get away with 3d10+12 or even 13.
As regards the Monster Vault – sounds like great minds think alike! 🙂
You made all the giants Brutes, did you not fancy the Fire Giants as Soldiers (primarily)?
S'mon
June 15, 2011
Hill giant damage – NB half the time he’s brutal striking for 4d10 + 18, so 3d10+9 on the other attacks works out, NB he can hit 2 targets at-will with the 3d10+9 sweep.
I thought about keeping fire giants as soldiers for the high AC, but it gives them too few hp and too low damage IMO, so I made them brutes with points from NADs to AC to reflect their heavy armour. One reason is that these giants are designed to be fightable by PCs several levels lower; brutes work best for that IME.
S'mon
June 16, 2011
Monster Vault Elites seem to do x2 damage of Standard monsters, but I think this is excessive; the extreme case is the Owlbear elite Brute 8 who can hit once, action point, and do an average of 80 damage on 1 attack sequence. I used one last game vs the 7th level party and he took the Paladin from full hp to negative in 1 round.
So with the hill giant I gave him x2 standard damage (4d10+18, avg 40) on his recharge 5-6 brute strike, IME recharge 5-6 means he can use it on about half his attacks. Not as nasty as the MV owlbear, but still respectable.
What do you think about the various push/knock prone powers I included? It seemed to me that giants should be knocking around smaller creatures a lot, and fighting them on a ledge/clifftop/bridge would be nasty, but I didn’t want them too controllery.
Re Ogres – I think level 6 is good for the baseline Ogre; Gnolls seem to be baseline level 5 which seems awfully tough to me, but I have some Gnoll minis which are practically ogre-sized for which it’s not inappropriate.
Upper_Krust
June 16, 2011
The push/pull powers seem fine for the Hill Giant, I suppose that the slashing attack of the axe or sword though would be more likely to cut deeper rather than push a target.
I vaguely recall the old Warhammer Giants would have a bunch of different features (goes off to see if he can find that book).
Here were the details (should be noted that Warhammer Giants were probably more like Gargantuan size than simply Large size):
1. Cause Fear
2. Not impeded by terrain under 10 ft
3. Enemies without polearms are -1 to hit
4. Ungainly and likely to fall over if pushed back
5. Falling Giants are a big nuisance (use the Fallen Giant Template and a d12 roll to determine direction)
6. Prone to Drunkeness (on a roll of 6 on a D6, after which acts randomly)
7. Attacks
7a. Stomp and Grind
7b. Pick Up and Squash
7c. Pick Up and Throw
7d. Pick Up and Hurl (statistically similar to 7c, not clear on the difference to be honest)
7e. Pick Up and Eat (giant bites yer head off then throws the corpse at another enemy)
7f. Pick Up and Stuff Into Bag
7g. Jump Up and Down
7h. Swing With Club
7i. Thump With Club
7j. Yell and Bawl (forces immediate Leadership test in enemy unit…or use my Morale rules I suppose)
7k. Headbutt (usable against other Large enemies)
8. Pick Up and Throw Inanimate Object
9. Giant Sense of Humour (Ride Wagons Down Mountains)
Personally I think something brilliant could be made out of the above stats and turned into a cool solo monster.
Dave
June 17, 2011
Those are great!. I think you should give those a spin UK and flesh them out into something quite memorable.